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''This subsection of the policy document is currently a draft and under discussion. Do not delete or edit out lines other people have typed into this document. If you disagree with an item or think something should be clarified, add a note instead.''
''This subsection of the policy document is currently a draft and under discussion. Do not delete or edit out lines other people have typed into this document. If you disagree with an item or think something should be clarified, add a note instead.''


Decisions that affect the pissnet community as a whole, such as altering policies, restricting or removing perms for other opers where that applies,  
* Decisions that affect the pissnet community as a whole, such as altering policies, restricting or removing perms for other opers where that applies,  
forcibly removing people or other important collective decisions were often and must always be taken by a ''consensus formed by ample debate''. Note: Applying the policy 3. below does not require a consensus.
forcibly removing people or other important collective decisions were often and must always be taken by a ''consensus formed by ample debate''. Note: Applying the policy 3. below does not require a consensus.


''Reaching consensus'' is defined as when an ample debate or conversation is had with enough time to allow all non-idle opers to have a say, until a compromise between any conflicting parts is reached, or conflict is otherwise settled. Particularly, voting by itself does not necessarily fulfill or is a necessary condition for consensus.
* ''Reaching consensus'' is defined as when an ample debate or conversation is had with enough time to allow all non-idle opers to have a say, until a compromise between any conflicting parts is reached, or conflict is otherwise settled. Particularly, voting by itself does not necessarily fulfill or is a necessary condition for consensus.


* '''A 'consensus' is defined as 'a general agreement' and not a 'unanimous agreement.' As such, if one person dissents, a consensus was still reached.'''
** '''A 'consensus' is defined as 'a general agreement' and not a 'unanimous agreement.' As such, if one person dissents, a consensus was still reached.'''


The channel #opers in pissnet is the only convenient forum (note: Who is to decide if something is 'the only convenient forum'?) for deciding these matters as long as it exists with at least two opers in it. Conversation that took place elsewhere can support the debate if and when they are made public to all others, but ''may not replace it''. In case #opers is somehow unavailable then the ##pissnet libera channel should be a fallback forum.
* The channel #opers in pissnet is the only convenient forum
 
** (note: Who is to decide if something is 'the only convenient forum'?)
 
* for deciding these matters as long as it exists with at least two opers in it. Conversation that took place elsewhere can support the debate if and when they are made public to all others, but ''may not replace it''. In case #opers is somehow unavailable then the ##pissnet libera channel should be a fallback forum.


* '''When an oper is behaving abusively, erratically or out of pure spite, preventing the use of #opers as a place where discussion can happen peacefully, it may then be necessary to have discussions on ##pissnet on libera'''  
* '''When an oper is behaving abusively, erratically or out of pure spite, preventing the use of #opers as a place where discussion can happen peacefully, it may then be necessary to have discussions on ##pissnet on libera'''  
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*'''as long as everyone is allowed to talk there, in order to facilitate the necessary exchange of information and ideas so that a consensus can be agreed upon and a decision can be made.'''
*'''as long as everyone is allowed to talk there, in order to facilitate the necessary exchange of information and ideas so that a consensus can be agreed upon and a decision can be made.'''


Decisions made by consensus in the convenient forum take precedence over whatever decisions were made either on other forums or unilaterally or otherwise without trying to address the matter with pissnet opers and reach a consensus.
* Decisions made by consensus in the convenient forum take precedence over whatever decisions were made either on other forums or unilaterally or otherwise without trying to address the matter with pissnet opers and reach a consensus.


''Note: There is not currently a minimum duration for this debate, which may or may not change. Less important or more urgent decisions are usually expected to be solved faster.''
* ''Note: There is not currently a minimum duration for this debate, which may or may not change. Less important or more urgent decisions are usually expected to be solved faster.''


For everything not explicitly decided according to this policy, the following policies should be observed:
* For everything not explicitly decided according to this policy, the following policies should be observed:




* '''Admin note: The entirety of the above, except which is entirely in bold, was added by one person without discussion... No attempt at first reaching a consensus or having a debate. Discussion about these policies and changes to delete portions of the notes added did not first occur in #opers. Don't be hypocrites.'''
'''Admin note: The entirety of the above, except which is entirely in bold, was added by one person without discussion... No attempt at first reaching a consensus or having a debate. Discussion about these policies and changes to delete portions of the notes added did not first occur in #opers. Don't be hypocrites.'''


== 2. Age Gate ==
== 2. Age Gate ==

Revision as of 21:12, 9 April 2024

1. Decision making

This subsection of the policy document is currently a draft and under discussion. Do not delete or edit out lines other people have typed into this document. If you disagree with an item or think something should be clarified, add a note instead.

  • Decisions that affect the pissnet community as a whole, such as altering policies, restricting or removing perms for other opers where that applies,

forcibly removing people or other important collective decisions were often and must always be taken by a consensus formed by ample debate. Note: Applying the policy 3. below does not require a consensus.

  • Reaching consensus is defined as when an ample debate or conversation is had with enough time to allow all non-idle opers to have a say, until a compromise between any conflicting parts is reached, or conflict is otherwise settled. Particularly, voting by itself does not necessarily fulfill or is a necessary condition for consensus.
    • A 'consensus' is defined as 'a general agreement' and not a 'unanimous agreement.' As such, if one person dissents, a consensus was still reached.
  • The channel #opers in pissnet is the only convenient forum
    • (note: Who is to decide if something is 'the only convenient forum'?)
  • for deciding these matters as long as it exists with at least two opers in it. Conversation that took place elsewhere can support the debate if and when they are made public to all others, but may not replace it. In case #opers is somehow unavailable then the ##pissnet libera channel should be a fallback forum.
  • When an oper is behaving abusively, erratically or out of pure spite, preventing the use of #opers as a place where discussion can happen peacefully, it may then be necessary to have discussions on ##pissnet on libera
    • (read: Discord was mentioned as a potential alternative because people who have access in #opers also have access and the ability to ban people from ##pissnet on libera, which makes it a poor choice of location to hold discussion without interruption and drama. Outright editing out Discord/Pisscord as an option here while discussing is ongoing seems unilateral and not conductive to a discussion where consensus is part of the decision making process. People should edit and add notes, not delete.)
  • as long as everyone is allowed to talk there, in order to facilitate the necessary exchange of information and ideas so that a consensus can be agreed upon and a decision can be made.
  • Decisions made by consensus in the convenient forum take precedence over whatever decisions were made either on other forums or unilaterally or otherwise without trying to address the matter with pissnet opers and reach a consensus.
  • Note: There is not currently a minimum duration for this debate, which may or may not change. Less important or more urgent decisions are usually expected to be solved faster.
  • For everything not explicitly decided according to this policy, the following policies should be observed:


Admin note: The entirety of the above, except which is entirely in bold, was added by one person without discussion... No attempt at first reaching a consensus or having a debate. Discussion about these policies and changes to delete portions of the notes added did not first occur in #opers. Don't be hypocrites.

2. Age Gate

If you're on pissnet, You're expected to be 18 or older.
If not, We expect you act like it. We're all for fun here, but a minimum level of maturity is required.
If we find you aren't an adult, expect to be removed from the network without recourse.

3. Spam Responsibly

<pissy99> why is this network such a train wreck
<pissy99> just stop already
<pissy99> shut it down
<pissy99> /!\ I JUST PISSED IN THE CHANNEL AND IT SMELLS BAD /!\
<pissy99> /!\ I JUST PISSED IN THE CHANNEL AND IT SMELLS BAD /!\
<Tellah> I want an autograph from Andrew Lee
<pissy99> I want him to piss in the channel Tellah
<pissy99> lets see how it smells
<pissy99> /!\ THIS CHANNEL IS OFF TOPIC /!\
<pissy99> /!\ THIS CHANNEL IS OFF TOPIC! MOVE TO PISSNET /!\
<pissy99> /!\ THIS CHANNEL IS OFF TOPIC! MOVE TO PISSNET FOR COLD WET CHATS 
<PolicyViolation> pissy99, that is a violation of policy right there
<pissy99> /!\ THIS CHANNEL IS OFF TOPIC! MOVE TO PISSNET FOR COLD WET CHATS /!\
<pissy99> you're a policy violation

Spam is cool. Spam is funny. Spam is the spirit of piss, and has been from the beginning.
Disruptive spam, however, is not. Freenode's <pissnet> didn't gather traction by mentioning the entire channel, Or filling it with unreadable, unfunny garbage.
If you're spamming for spam's sake, Reflect on if anyone else is laughing with you, Or if instead, they're laughing AT you.

This includes accidental spam too; If your server, bot, client, etc, causes disruptive spam (IE, flapping, flooding Snotes, misconfig, etc) opers may temporarily block your access to mitigate it.
This isn't a punishment against you, Merely taken to keep everyone happy and the piss flowing. If you're confident it's fixed, or need help to fix it, Reach back out to restore access.

Please understand that we're all here for fun. Pissnet is not a serious network. Part of that fun is when we make mistakes that cause disruption on accident.
If you're consistently causing issues under this, and nobody is laughing anymore, expect to be asked to stop. If you don't, it should not be a surprise if you are removed from the network.

4. Oper Conduct

Being an Oper on pissnet is probably one of the easiest jobs you can have.
You have two responsibilities:

  1. Don't be a dick.
  2. Piss with good faith.

Doing malicious things, or anything in general in bad-faith is grounds for being removed from the network. We are all adults. If you cannot agree to disagree, You are going to make enemies and likely be removed.

Some examples of innapropriate conduct include:

  1. Repeatedly KILL'ing other users without good reason or consent
  2. *Lining people over personal disagreements
  3. Creating Bots/Pseudoservers to jupe, kill, line, etc, when you don't have the approval of other opers (or the person involved)
  4. Intentionally crashing/SENDQ-ing people off the network

Experimentation is welcome and encouraged. If your experimentation becomes disruptive to the network, you may be asked to stop or juped if you're unable to respond.

Malicious bad faith arguments are never welcome. Being a contrarian is fine and dandy but when it crosses the line to enforcing a personal vendetta against another oper, action may be taken.